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Some questions that I've asked, and the answers that I've received
QUESTION: How are the numbers of aircraft models ordered?
Do you know the number postfixes for aircraft (ie: X-53, F-18, A-10)? I wondered how they were ordered, and I thought of two possible methods:
1.) The numbers had to do with how many different aircraft models were accepted into EACH military component (ie: Air force, navy, marines) . For example, say that if the Air force had a A-1 and A-2, but the Navy is given A-3, Marines are given A-4, and AF gets A-5.
2.) Amount of models designed by a single manufacturer through the years (it: Boeing, McDonnell, GD). For example, General Dynamics has designed or/and planned a total of 111 fighter planes, thus the F-111?
but neither seems to be the case. I am puzzled because the F-16 had its first flight in the late 1970s, but the F-111 was designed and commissioned to the U.S Air Force in the 1960s. Both are ships from GD, or General Dynamics.
If I am wrong, can someone tell me how the manufacturing companies of military aircraft or the military itself number their machines? I hope it's not too complex.
2 years ago
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Because I am confused, please provide references to your answers or/and examples.
BEST ANSWER:
They are assigned sequentially, but there are several factors causing your confusion. One is that until after WWII all fighters were designated "P", for pursuit. The first US jet to fly in combat was originally designated the P80, but was changed to F80, and all Air Force fighters after this carried the "F".
Until the sixties, the Navy's fighters were designated completely separately from the Air Force's system. The Navy designation was based on the number of models designed by a company, and a designation for the company that built the plane. For example the Navy flew the F9F-6 fighter, which was the 9th fighter designed by Grumman, where the F4F Wildcat was the fourth Grumman Fighter. The F4H was the fourth fighter from McDonnell-Douglas.
In the early 60's the current numbering system was adopted for all aircraft, whether used by the Navy or Air Force. For example, the Navy's F4H Phantom II became the F4 Phantom II which also entered Air Force service. At that time, they restarted numbering system. That's why the F14 and F15 came after the the F111. The F111 and the F117 were the last planes designated under the original Air Force sequence.
The other thing that comes into play is that not every design makes it into production, and the design designation is applied before the plane is even built. That's why there is an F16 and an F18 in service, but not an F17. The F17 was designed and a prototype built, but the Air Force never had this model put into production. The F117 designation was assigned to the stealth fighter while still under development, years before it would enter service.
OTHER ANSWERS:
- Having been an Air Force brat, and still working for the Air Force, I can tell you that the military can be counted on to show consistent inconsistency. There is a tendency to increase numbers, but it really doesn't matter. Where does the F-117 fit in? Why isn't it the F-122 and the F-135? It just isn't.
- Marketing departments assign the numbers for commercial civilian aircraft, so there isn't necessarily any rhyme or reason to them. The military is only slightly more organized. In both cases, there is a tendency to numerical progression, but that's about the only consistent trend.
- It's very simple the numbers are assigned sequentially.
OK
QUESTION:
Was looking up information on Saizo Kirigakure. I have been curious to what the Kanji symbols of "弾正" and "左衛門尉" mean. I thought the second, which looks like "Saemon", was someone's name but it looks to be a title instead. I often see "mon" in a pre-Modern Japanese name.
Can someone help?
BEST/ONLY ANSWER:
Both 弾正 (danjou) and 左衛門尉 (saemon'nojou) were initially the titles of the Kyoto Court.
弾正 was a title in the 弾正台、the Inspector General's Office.
左衛門尉 was a title in the 左衛門府, the Court Guard of the Left. (尉 was a grade in the 左衛門府 officials' titles)
Later in the Tokugawa period, they became titles issued by the Shogunate, and eventually became empty titles freely adopted as personal names by members of the samurai class. When used as a name, 左衛門尉 was often shortened to 左衛門 (Saemon).
Thus, in the name 霧隠弾正左衛門 (supposedly the father of 霧隠才蔵), you can say that 霧隠 is the surname, and 弾正左衛門 is the given name.
Source(s):
Native Japanese speaker
OK
Some questions that I've asked, and the answers that I've received
QUESTION: How are the numbers of aircraft models ordered?
Do you know the number postfixes for aircraft (ie: X-53, F-18, A-10)? I wondered how they were ordered, and I thought of two possible methods:
1.) The numbers had to do with how many different aircraft models were accepted into EACH military component (ie: Air force, navy, marines) . For example, say that if the Air force had a A-1 and A-2, but the Navy is given A-3, Marines are given A-4, and AF gets A-5.
2.) Amount of models designed by a single manufacturer through the years (it: Boeing, McDonnell, GD). For example, General Dynamics has designed or/and planned a total of 111 fighter planes, thus the F-111?
but neither seems to be the case. I am puzzled because the F-16 had its first flight in the late 1970s, but the F-111 was designed and commissioned to the U.S Air Force in the 1960s. Both are ships from GD, or General Dynamics.
If I am wrong, can someone tell me how the manufacturing companies of military aircraft or the military itself number their machines? I hope it's not too complex.
2 years ago
Additional Details
Because I am confused, please provide references to your answers or/and examples.
BEST ANSWER:
They are assigned sequentially, but there are several factors causing your confusion. One is that until after WWII all fighters were designated "P", for pursuit. The first US jet to fly in combat was originally designated the P80, but was changed to F80, and all Air Force fighters after this carried the "F".
Until the sixties, the Navy's fighters were designated completely separately from the Air Force's system. The Navy designation was based on the number of models designed by a company, and a designation for the company that built the plane. For example the Navy flew the F9F-6 fighter, which was the 9th fighter designed by Grumman, where the F4F Wildcat was the fourth Grumman Fighter. The F4H was the fourth fighter from McDonnell-Douglas.
In the early 60's the current numbering system was adopted for all aircraft, whether used by the Navy or Air Force. For example, the Navy's F4H Phantom II became the F4 Phantom II which also entered Air Force service. At that time, they restarted numbering system. That's why the F14 and F15 came after the the F111. The F111 and the F117 were the last planes designated under the original Air Force sequence.
The other thing that comes into play is that not every design makes it into production, and the design designation is applied before the plane is even built. That's why there is an F16 and an F18 in service, but not an F17. The F17 was designed and a prototype built, but the Air Force never had this model put into production. The F117 designation was assigned to the stealth fighter while still under development, years before it would enter service.
OTHER ANSWERS:
- Having been an Air Force brat, and still working for the Air Force, I can tell you that the military can be counted on to show consistent inconsistency. There is a tendency to increase numbers, but it really doesn't matter. Where does the F-117 fit in? Why isn't it the F-122 and the F-135? It just isn't.
- Marketing departments assign the numbers for commercial civilian aircraft, so there isn't necessarily any rhyme or reason to them. The military is only slightly more organized. In both cases, there is a tendency to numerical progression, but that's about the only consistent trend.
- It's very simple the numbers are assigned sequentially.
OK
QUESTION:
Was looking up information on Saizo Kirigakure. I have been curious to what the Kanji symbols of "弾正" and "左衛門尉" mean. I thought the second, which looks like "Saemon", was someone's name but it looks to be a title instead. I often see "mon" in a pre-Modern Japanese name.
Can someone help?
BEST/ONLY ANSWER:
Both 弾正 (danjou) and 左衛門尉 (saemon'nojou) were initially the titles of the Kyoto Court.
弾正 was a title in the 弾正台、the Inspector General's Office.
左衛門尉 was a title in the 左衛門府, the Court Guard of the Left. (尉 was a grade in the 左衛門府 officials' titles)
Later in the Tokugawa period, they became titles issued by the Shogunate, and eventually became empty titles freely adopted as personal names by members of the samurai class. When used as a name, 左衛門尉 was often shortened to 左衛門 (Saemon).
Thus, in the name 霧隠弾正左衛門 (supposedly the father of 霧隠才蔵), you can say that 霧隠 is the surname, and 弾正左衛門 is the given name.
Source(s):
Native Japanese speaker
OK
